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Folks welcome back to each this athlete, excited to share that I climbed outside this past weekend.
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For the first time in eight months.
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Went to Sonora place near Yosemite and did some sport climbing amongst these overhanging basalt cliffs.
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This was the longest.
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I think I may have gone without.
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Climbing outside.
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In the past decade.
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I'm still injured.
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The body still feels a bit broken.
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But I feel I'm mending along.
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Slowly, but surely.
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Today, my adventure seeking and dream chasing friends?
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Get ready to be inspired by a story that proves anything is possible.
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No matter where you come from.
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Today on aging athlete via taking you to India.
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A land of vibrant culture.
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And breathtaking landscapes.
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To meet Mohit.
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Oberoi a man who carved his own path in the world of adventure sports.
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This episode is very special to me.
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As it allowed me to travel back to India, the country of my roots.
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And bring on somebody who has long been a source of inspiration for this young kid, Greg, up in Delhi.
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Dreaming of the mountains.
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Now you might think of India and picture bustling cities.
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Or ancient temples, but for Mohit Oberoi, or Mo, amongst friends.
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It was a playground of unexplored potential.
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Growing up in a country where adventure sports were not exactly mainstream.
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More and his friends.
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Practically pioneered the climbing scene.
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Scaling cliffs with homemade gear and a whole lot of determination.
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Mo's thirst for adventure.
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Doesn't stop at the cliffs.
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He went on to compete in various iron man triathlons, perhaps one of the first people from India to do so he did become also the first Indian to sell across the English channel.
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Yes, that English channel.
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And also Gren.
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Ultra marathons.
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That would make.
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Many season athletes Veep.
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He has completed some epic, fast backing trips, scaling.
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And in chaining summits across the Himalayas, we will talk about some of them.
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More is living proof that you don't need fancy facilities.
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Or a well-trodden path to achieve the extraordinary.
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And let's be real folks.
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Most journey.
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Hasn't been all sunshine and rainbows.
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His face challenges.
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And many moments of doubt.
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But that's what makes his story so damn inspiring.
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He embraces vulnerability.
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Learn from his mistakes.
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And keep pushing forward with a smile on his face.
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With the curiosity of a beginner.
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He is the ultimate vulnerable adult learner.
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A team that we explored in the last podcast as well.
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So get ready to be amazed by the world of mouth.
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we'll hear about his early days as a climbing pioneer in India.
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His transition to other enduring sports.
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We will discover how he feels his body and mind for those.
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And what keeps them motivated to keep exploring.
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And of course we learn about the importance of community.
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Positive support and believing in yourself.
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Even when the odds seem daunting.
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We also talk about how he's raised.
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India's perhaps India's first climbing family.
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Besides him.
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Himself.
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Annie, his wife lives.
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His sons.
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A ball and I'll be my new art crushers sending double digit bullet problems.
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All across the Himalayas and in the south of India.
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So let's.
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Start the show.
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This is aged athlete and most story is a powerful reminder.
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That adventure knows no bounds.
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Hey Mo.
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great to have you on the show.
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I already know that this is going to be one of my, uh, favorite, episodes.
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for a few reasons, one is you are in my mind, a true multi sport athlete.
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You do so many different, diverse, interesting things.
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And also you are practicing these sports often in India, in a country I grew up.
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So I sometimes think I get to live my, uh, my outdoor dreams vicariously with you, to start off.
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Let's start with climbing.
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That is how you and I initially connected and, correct me, but I think climbing in many ways might Still be your favorite sport.
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To start off, I want to ask you to take us back a few years ago when you visited California to climb in Yosemite and as you were driving down the valley floor you looked up and you saw El Capitan and I saw your face light up.
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Please describe what did you see and what you were feeling at that time.
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Yeah.
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Thanks Ishu for having me on the show and yeah, I mean, it was the first thing was thanks to you that, uh, I could make this El Cap or the Yosemite dream come true, which is coming, to a place.
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It was more of a pilgrimage to me, to be honest, because I'd seen photos of El Cap since I was in the teens from the Mountain Magazine and Climbing Magazine photos of starting from the first ascent of Zenyatta Mondatta to Randy Leavitt jumping, climbing El Cap and jumping off.
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So it is something which is, it was there lying dormant for three decades.
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And as we crossed the tunnel and entered Yosemite and mixed emotions, right?
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One was a dream come true that I was finally here at this cliff which I had dreamed of almost for three decades.
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And the second was of course of awe that how the hell are we going to try and climb this now?
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So the mixed emotions, but it was, it was just, it was great.
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It was brilliant.
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that is a great recollection indeed and I hear you on the The flood of emotions, you know, you, you see El Cap and it looks amazing.
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And then you realize that you have this daunting project ahead of you to attempt to, get to the top.
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That is quite something.
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And we will get back to your El Cap trip later in the conversation.
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But to, ask you a little bit about, what are these different sports that you do?
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And did climbing become an integral part of your life?
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to be honest, I'm a adventurer at heart.
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I think that's what I've concluded.
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I need an adventure.
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so climbing is something I started off, uh, in my teens.
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it was always an adventure to go out.
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It was not about performance.
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It was not about grades or anything.
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It was about having, having this adventure, having an Epic outside, you know, having these mega days out.
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of course, initially it was very, uh, short multi pitch climbs, but then we were always on the track climbing and, uh, almost no bouldering then, but, it was an integral part of my upbringing.
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And then, of course, I branched out little later into other sports, mainly running or, uh, swimming or, uh, trail running or mountaineering.
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these, of course, followed climbing where I wanted to get into bigger adventures.
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But I always feel, uh, you're absolutely correct.
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I'm a climber at heart.
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I keep doing these sports off and on, but then I always swing back to climbing as my, as my go to sport.
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that's correct.
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Mo, what were your origins into climbing?
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If I recall, I'm a few years shy of you, but when I was growing up, climbing was not a prominent sport in Delhi, in India.
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What were your beginnings as an adventurer and as a rock climber?
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So we started in school, uh, issue.
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Basically we went hiking a couple of times and there were these, that time there were these very dedicated bunch of people used to run clubs.
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And these were hiking clubs and they would dabble in a little bit into rock climbing and mountaineering.
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And they had this thing called the training camp, uh, for children or adults.
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And, did a couple of small hikes with them, day hikes.
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And then I, Join them for a climbing course in which they will teach you very, the days we used to tie a bowline around your waist and there were days of the waist belay.
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So these were like very basic with pitons, and there was no camming devices on wires or anything.
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I'm talking about late seventies, early eighties, 81, 82.
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And there was about hip belay and repelling with stomach repelling or delphi seat repelling, what you call now.
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So these are very basic.
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basic kind of climbing things.
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That's what the start of the art was then probably, uh, in India, at least.
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that triggered off my interest for climbing, rock climbing, because I found that to be the next step for my days of hiking.
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when I started off, I did a course.
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uh, I found a magazine run by the Indian Marketing Foundation, which had an article about rock climbing around Delhi.
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And I was like, okay, if someone can go, why don't I go and visit this place, which is actually near the Qutub Minar, which is very close in Central Delhi, close to Central Delhi.
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I mean, I would say suburbs then, but now it's almost center of Delhi now.
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And there was a stack of rocks, which are in a park.
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And I decided to go there and, uh, start climbing on our own with, uh, with, with a clothesline, which was brought, uh, like a thick 10mm floor line, which, and some carabiners and some, uh, there were no harnesses then.
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So you made your own sling harnesses.
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and some rudimentary carabiners and that's and just started a journey of self discovery basically and then so on and so forth and one then met a community and then and then carried on to you know higher rocks or bigger ranges so that was early beginning and it was the late 70s early 80s so my first climbing trip on my own I would say was probably self support was in 1982.
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Where I actually went on on my own without any guides and I don't know how and when I look back I just don't understand how we even survived.
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I don't know what all we were doing there I guess we did whatever we could but we did survive those days And a bit of a miracle, but yeah looking back.
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I mean, it was just amazing Amazing time of discovery of ourselves and of the rocks and what we could do making decisions, you know, without any adult supervision, uh, because it was just two friends, we were in the same, same class and we had just done a course and we decided to go on our own with our own gear.
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Coming of age is always a profound, uh, stage in, growing up for all of us, but when you have something as, interesting and as outlying as, uh, climbing thrown in, it makes for, a rather rich childhood indeed.
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And, you survived.
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That era of wearing, harnesses made up of, home developed, climbing rope types of, uh, apparatuses to the point where you are today.
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But again, going back to the time you found this club and you You ended up in this band of brothers, if I may, and you started going off venturing into the mountains and also crags that you were developing closer to home.
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I'm wondering what was the setting like?
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Within your family and your community, were there other people doing these kinds of adventuring things around you?
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Was your family aware that you were, out there scaling, cliffs?
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yeah, describe to us, your community and your, uh, your family and your friends, perceived of, these things that you were doing.
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uh, see, my mother was an educator, she was running a school and she obviously knew the values of children involved in some kind of a sport, whether it was conventional sports like football or basketball or tennis or whatever, or doing outdoor sports.
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In fact, the school used to, her own school, which she started.
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would go on on outdoor trips.
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She was encouraged that.
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She always felt that children had to indulge in some kind of sporting activity outside the classrooms and do things.
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So event came naturally.
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When I start took up the sport, it came very, I don't know what she felt in, within herself, but she was very, very, um, forthcoming and she was not.
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In fact, support us, uh, and my sisters and us also to go and indulge in these kind of sports.
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I, I also wonder sometimes what would they think what was happening?
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I don't know.
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I don't think they were well aware that we was trying to run out 20, 30 feet climbs and, you know, we could have ground falls and everything else.
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But I think one thing they were clear is that we were obviously doing something, which was, uh, which is something essential, uh, which a child should be doing for their upbringing.
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I mean, of course they don't understand the extreme parts, which, I mean, obviously they didn't expect that I would be, trying to lead some five nines with the ground fault potential and all that.
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I mean, that gets complicated things, right?
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But I didn't even mention that to them because that was something you didn't talk about at home.
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You did have a great day out and you were happy and you had a smile on your face and that was enough.
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They were very accepting on that, even going on expeditions.
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And you know, we were living at a time where there was no internet and there was no even phone connections in Delhi then.
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In India, where there was just.
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once you left the home and that was it.
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You came back after you, you said you will be back on certain date after 25 days and you showed up and there was no, there was no connect.
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or you didn't connect with them.
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Maybe a letter from, sent from a base camp through a porter saying, Just tell them you're fine or just mention it, which used to generally arrive after we had reached back.
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So it was, there was, it was very forthcoming.
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The family part was very, very supportive, I must say.
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And of course, my parents then, and now my wife, of course, very supportive of whatever adventures we're doing.
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And I think that's very important.
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Second part is about the community and the people I met, uh, initially, I think I'm extremely lucky and I keep saying that I'm extremely lucky that I met people, uh, who were of the same mindset.
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some of them were much older to me.
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Most of them are older to me.
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They were like eight or 10 years senior to me, and I'm still connected with them.
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And they were very, very protective of me.
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And they were very, very, you know, they encouraged me to do sometimes I feel they encouraged me to do all the hard leads.
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which, uh, they didn't want to do.
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This is only later on, I thought, but that helped me to, uh, actually hone my skills as a climber get my skills up as a climber.
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So I think I was extremely lucky.
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I will say that I started very early and I started with the right people and the right support from the family also, where there was no question asked.
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If I wanted to go for a month of hiking of school days.
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That was no problem.
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I would, you know, it was accepted.
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It was good.
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So many things come together to help us pursue our passions.
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Obviously, talent and drive is a big part of that, but so is support from one's family and community.
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Your parents, kind of like my parents, have been very supportive of some of these, uh, different things that we do.
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parents, uh, saw me climbing outside, I think for the first time a few years ago, It was quite a revelatory moment for them because it's one thing to imagine conceptualize some of these trips that I'm doing, but to actually see me at the end of a rope up in the mountains in Turkey, where we were, and see me having a good time and doing things which Sometimes seem a little crazy, but when you see that happen in front of you and you see the whole process of, of, uh, tying into a rope, climbing up, and then you see other people around at the crag as well, and people who seem, you know, just normal human beings with, offer normal lives and aspirations.
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I think it serves to normalize the sport in the eyes.
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So I'm very grateful that my family was able to see me climb.
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I think it's also surprising how many people I speak with whose families have actually never seen them climb.
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I mean, it's great that your, your family, they supported you, but I'm wondering if they ever joined you, your sisters or your parents, if they ever joined you for any of these, uh, climbing or mountain trips, either as, as spectators or even as co participants.
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yeah, my mother did, we did one or two hikes together, uh, day hikes when she was leading a school group as a principal of her own school.
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She had own school children going up and she actually hiked with them.
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And I was part of that.
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So that was amazing.
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when I think back, I look back it was a few times when she came she actually offered to let, when I had no transport and no partners in Delhi, once a couple of times, actually not once many times, she would actually offer to drive us in the, in the school van.
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Uh, and she would not drive, but the driver would drive and she would say, hi, take the school van.
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And I do remember her coming once or twice and I trained the driver of the van, who was an ex army guy to actually belay me.
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So he would go from the side and actually throw the rope down and he would belay me on top.
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So when I look back, I thought it sounds completely, completely bizarre.
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When I think about it now, she would be there reading a book.
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Or something, and she would just be there, but he would actually belay me, and I would actually spend a few weekends, uh, with, with my ex-army driver of the school who would help me.
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So, it was so encouraging.
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And I think now that, which parent would do that would say, okay, we go on a Sunday to Old Rocks, which is the climbing area, and she would just hang out while the school bus driver would actually belay me up some climbs.
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And he, he, he was obviously did not.
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I mean, I taught him rudimentary stuff, right?
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But he, I guess it worked.
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it did happen a couple of times like that, but not, not after that much, I mean, that was the initial time.
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And then I, I'm, I'm trying to think back what she would have been thinking.
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Like, did I know what I was doing as a 15 year old or not?
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I don't think I was even 15 then maybe at like 12, 13 year old that actually trained the bus driver to belay me.
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And is that safe?
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Is that, is that not?
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I have zero idea when I think back now, man.
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I don't know what she was, she didn't, she didn't even, she didn't say anything.
