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Friends, welcome back to the ageless athlete podcast, where we uncover stories and tease out secrets of outperforming athletes in our quest to stay ageless.
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This is your host, Kush Khandelwal from our bunker in the Mission District, San Francisco.
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Thank you for your fantastic response to the launch.
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If you enjoyed the show, please do rate us and subscribe to us online as it helps others find the show.
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A different kind of guest today.
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We have Ari Tulla, a Finnish outdoor athlete and a creator and visionary of smart nutrition and quantified health services.
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Ari is an avid adventurer.
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He climbs, surfs, and skis, but also innovates at the intersection of medicine, nutrition, health, and sports performance.
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His company, Elo Health, leverages personal biometric data to give you fine tuned supplement guidance.
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backed by science.
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While his company partners with elite athletes such as climber Tommy Caldwell and ultra runner Dean Karnazes, his dream is to bring high end nutrition accessible to the average person.
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Tune in to find out why water fasting may be good for you and why even one drink can affect your sleep quality.
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Hey Ari, how are ya?
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I think for once, uh, we are in the same time zone.
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I know you do a lot of traveling over, uh, different seasons, but I think we are both, uh, on west coast time, uh, in California.
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I see, I see some sunlight perhaps, uh, streaming into your room.
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Yeah.
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Hey, great to be here.
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Thanks, Kush, I'm in, uh, I'm back in home in San Francisco and, um, yeah, crazy, crazy New Year's start.
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Um, happy to be alive and, and back in, in California.
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I spent a new year in, um, in Finland in all the way in Lapland.
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And, uh, that was kinda interesting.
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First time the kids and the whole family we went to there, uh, had extended family with us as well.
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So, uh, very dark, no sunlight at all for two weeks and, um, and very, uh, cold at times.
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You know, something like minus 20 far and a.
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Well, that is certainly a world away from, uh, from us here in California where we sometimes complain when the temperature, uh, you know, dips below 50 degree, uh, Fahrenheit.
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So, uh, so welcome back and, and for those of us who are not watching this on video, what I immediately love about, uh, about your setup here, one, is you have a very professional looking, uh, uh, looking recording room.
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And number two, you have these, um, montages of, uh, outdoor sports, uh, behind you, uh, mind sharing.
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What do we see on the wall behind you?
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Yeah, I, there's a couple of my, my son's drawings and then, uh, there's also Alex, uh, ho and in the first time when he was climbing a a half dome, um, and that was the le that, you know, he was, uh, feeling kind of shaky.
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It's an easy le you know, to go.
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And, and this photo was done later, you know, uh, SMY and Alex went there to take the photo, just that, that wasn't climbing even, but, you know, and he was laughing at the whole thing.
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But, you know, it's a great photo.
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It was the year, year photo of the year for Nazi I think for, for one year.
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And then lemme throw one more.
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It's kind of cool.
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This is, I got this, uh, a few weeks ago, so this kind of fun, it's, uh,
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Mm.
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we, we started to work with, uh, with Tommy Caldwell.
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So, uh, they sent me like a gift, uh, photo from, from the photo suit.
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So that's pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Your, your, uh, the wall behind you, uh, you know.
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Shares, uh, stories for those of us who are clued in.
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And yeah, the Holl one, I think it made the Nagio cover, and I think it also spawned, uh, this whole trend of people taking photos of, uh, themselves, you know, standing on ledges.
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I I really hope nobody, uh, suffered any, uh, any, any critical accidents, uh, trying to imitate and, and create like Instagram memes.
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But, uh, but anyway, moving on.
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Um, Ari, uh, good to have you on the show again.
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Uh, mind telling us a little bit about yourself, um, where you're from, what do you do, and then, uh, what brings you into the world of the outdoors?
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Yeah, perfect.
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So, um, Ari is my name.
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I'm from, uh, from Finland.
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Um, been living in the Bay Area for, in San Francisco for about 15, 16 years now.
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So I feel like a very Californian, very San Fcan, if that's the word.
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And, um, I, I have like two things I did in my, my youth.
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I, I was very deep focused in, um, in playing with computers and, um, and getting in that world.
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Um, got my first PC 0 8 6, I think, uh, when I was six years old in early eighties.
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And, um, and then, you know, I also started to play sports very young age.
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So I was doing hockey, ice hockey mainly, and, and did Nordic skiing, Finnish baseball.
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Oh.
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Oh, sorry.
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That's a very unique, maybe it's a Finnish baseball is the word, but you know, it's like a very different type of baseball and, but, you know, spend my, my youth in those two endeavors and, and always had a hope to be like a pro athlete in my youth.
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And, and I think I realized in like high school that maybe I'm a bit too small, um, not maybe have the ability to read the floor or the ice like you need in know hockey.
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And, uh, that was the time when, you know, hockey players were getting bigger.
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I'm, I'm a six foot, um, and not the small, smallest guy.
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But when you look at the guys who play now in NHL, I mean, they're, they're far bigger and, and, um, you know, somehow I then, you know, decided that, you know, the team sports and, you know, kind of the organized sports are there.
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And um, and then I went to study and, um, got into a startup on a first day in college.
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That was in 98.
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So building websites and, and doing stuff like that in the web 1.0.
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So that was kind the beginning for me to becoming an entrepreneur and to build companies.
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So I got in very, very early.
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And, um, and in college also I met my, my best man, you know, who was a, he's a great athlete still today.
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Uh, he's a triathlete and, and does swim running, for example, at the top, you know, 20 people in the world.
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And, um, and he talked me into doing some like endurance races and stuff like that in college.
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And very different than hockey when you run and climb and canoe and bike for days in a row.
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And, uh, I wasn't very good at it, but, you know, it, it gave me this sort of idea that, you know, it might be fun to do something like that later.
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And, um, and then I accidentally, um, were moving a place with my, my girlfriend, uh, now wife.
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Um, and behind our, our apartment there was a few guys, you know, they were carrying stuff like, what's going on?
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They were carrying them into a water tower.
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And that water tower was converted into the first climbing swim in Finland.
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And that was, uh, 90, 99, 98 I think.
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So I got to very early into the indoor climbing and climbing and, and bouldering and, and then later, you know, big walls and stuff like that.
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So climbing kind of became my, my thing.
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Uh, but yeah, long story short, I I, I was working the tech and got in the Bay Area with, with Nokia and, um, I was running a small unit here for them in the gaming side.
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And, and then, you know, I started, um, you know, three healthcare companies after that first 2000, uh, 10.
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And now, you know, latest one is in, in nutrition called EL Health.
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Amazing.
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From the backyard, climbing gyms in Finland to running tech companies in San Francisco and alongside doing different sports.
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Sometimes I think of you as a hybrid athlete.
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You practice your sports with passion and you put equal zeal into your career.
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A little bit more also into your current lifestyle.
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As you said, so yourself Ari, you surf, you climb, anything that particularly stand out?
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Maybe in the last couple of years has there been a focus to your outdoor goals?
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Yeah, I think it's interesting because, you know, I, I was pretty regimen cemented, you know, uh, hockey in Finland is a lot like, um, you would play.
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You know, football in the US or whatever, like very serious stuff, you know, where you train, you know, maybe twice a day even.
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You have very regimented way to prep for the season, to summer, everything.
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Um, a lot of quantification and, uh, when I've been, um, now, you know, doing things more as a, as a hobby and for the fun, I haven't been very regimented.
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And it's funny because I'm a, I'm a quite regimented in the, in the work.
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Like I have a, you know, I've been running companies for more than 20 years.
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And, um, and you have to be organized.
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You have to be focused and quantifying everything.
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And I like to quantify my health in many ways.
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So I'm, I'm a very active in that kind of biohacker, if you like that word, or, you know, quantify self group.
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Uh, been there for a long time, almost 20 years as well.
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Uh, but for the sports, I, I don't know.
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I mean, I just tend to always be a bit, uh, sloppy.
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Like, I mean, I don't have a, like a power meter in my bike, I mean, on my pedals.
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Um, I don't, I don't really track.
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I don't, I don't put down, I put down my training quantities roughly, but I don't really like plan them too much ahead.
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So I have a rough plan maybe, you know, for a week.
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But, you know, often I do different things.
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Um, and often I do things alone, like, you know, cycling now quite a bit, maybe most time perspective climbing.
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I usually do it alone because, I mean, it's just having in another or group setting will be then more difficult to move the times if I need to move the times.
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And I try to really balance it in a way that you're gonna have your, um, life, uh, organized.
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So if you look at my calendar.
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I have, uh, like five colors today.
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My, my, my calendar, for example, and it's kind of funny that, you know, you have, um, you know, there's, in a work you might have like, you know, salesy stuff as a CEO.
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You have, you know, fundraising stuff, you have hiring stuff, and then you have normal work.
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So I have four colors for those and I try to balance them out in a proper way.
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Then I have my.
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My, like a workout, my, my, my sport related things in a certain color.
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Then I have my family stuff often in another color, and then I have my investment stuff we do, uh, on another color.
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So that's kind of the, the, the kind of, and then I look at often like a month and I look at is my life in balance?
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Am I living the life in the right way?
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And if not, then I can rebalance it.
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Uh, but it's funny because, you know, in a way when I trained and like, you know, climbing, I, I done times like when I had like, uh, do certain reps and certain things and I never really, uh, stayed with it.
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And even like, uh, cycling, I did a lot of cycling over the, over the covid talk about like, I don't know, 15,000, 20,000 miles.
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And, um, but I didn't have like a, like a plan, like I need to do hill rep reps.
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And I've been getting a bit better at cycling, but I could have probably become really pretty good if I would've been regimented in a way.
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The train.
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So I think your point is like, really the outdoor to me is the, is the key piece almost like being able to be outside, uh, be able to be, you know, doing things you like, maybe listening a, a book or at the same time or whatnot.
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That's, I mean, and it's literally like, for me, it's like the vent for the, uh, stress and everything that, you know, you, you gotta work pretty hard.
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Um, you have, you know, small children, so every time you go, you know, it's like it has to give you something.
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If the training takes energy away from you, then I think you're gonna be, you're gonna burn the candle too, too, too far.
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Got it.
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I, I, I got, I, I got a couple of things there.
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One is, uh, you know, despite your, uh, somewhat modesty, I think you are able to manage multiple fronts with, uh, alum.
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But then also the outdoors means a lot to you.
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You know, you, you put your time into the training part, but, uh, but like a lot of us outdoor, uh, obsessives, I think you get a lot of energy from being outside.
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Uh, yeah.
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Any particular outdoor, uh, accomplishments in your sports that you, uh, you get some pride in?
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Well, I think, you know, the climbing for me has always been the, um, it's been something that I was kinda spending quite a bit time outside and, and, you know, not, not necessarily trying to climb the hardest, you know, crack or the hardest, you know, route.
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Um.
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But, you know, to, to kind of get better and, and progressively.
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And then of course climbing is a very multifaceted, you know, you climb a semi, you climb a, a crack in, uh, in Yosemite it's very different than climbing a sport, climbing in Sana or in Lumas, for example.
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So other ones are more like climbing inside and, and you know, the, the, the drought climbing in Yosemite has nothing to do with climbing at the tomb.
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You know, could, like, if you go from the, the tomb in the, into the cran and you're not gonna get more than a couple feet up and then you are done because it's so difficult, the taming technique and, and so forth.
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And, um, and it's just a tricky one because, you know, you, you cannot do it for a long time.
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I, I've done it now for almost 25 years.
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I, I think, and a lot of that outside, I.
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So you now have this feeling that when you do more bouldering now, or maybe do sport climbing, it'll be very difficult to go back into the big walls now.
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And I hope I can, you know, probably go back if my, my kids wanna climb later, they're still too young.
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Um, but to climb with them.
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But there's this kind of, this scare aspect I think with climbing that the older you get, I think the more easier you're scared.
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And we can talk about the surfing, you know, the same aspect there.
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Um, but with climbing, I think, um, I, you know, being able to climb, you know, good parts of the, you know, LCAP and, and you know, some of those other ones has been really pretty cool.
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And, you know, most people don't go there because it's a lot of work and, and very difficult, the whole hauling part.
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And if you come up, you know, from down up, oh, sorry, up, you're going up, down, and then you climb up.
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That's also pretty brutal because, you know, you need to kind of come down a couple ropes and then climb and you're a little like, you know, half a mile up on the wall.
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It's pretty intimidating.
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And, and of course the hiking, also hiking up there is like.
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I mean, it's literally like four hour hike.
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People don't talk about that when they do like these linkups, but you know, you're gonna walk a long way up and down when you, when you go to the top of hotel cap, for example, or half dome even, even worse.
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Um, but you know, I mean, I had a really, you know, lucky thing in a way that, and nothing has happened to me except like couple finger things, but, um, seven, eight years ago, my, my, my good friend, you know, he almost died with me on, on the wall in Yoan.
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And that was kinda the moment when, um, you know, we had a, we had our first, you know, baby coming.
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And it felt like, you know, it's this worth it, you know, that, you know, you could die.
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And it was just a stupid, you know, thing that we were, you know, on an easy route, uh, climbing up.
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And, uh, he picked the wrong, um, crack and then it ended and then, you know, he slipped.
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It was a bit wet and came down, you know, a couple pea came out and then he came head first into a lets, uh, next to me and I was able to kinda save his head, but he broke his back and pelvis and was unc unconscious with there.
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And we had to call Joar the, yosem, the rescue to climb up there and they climbed literally up like, I don't know, almost a thousand feet.
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And then we had to helicopter rescue him.
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So it was like literally like soothing on arrow to a tree and getting the, you know, the, the thing there and the helicopter out.
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And it was, uh, it was not fun.
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And I mean, you had plenty of time, you know, three hours time to wait for the people to climb up to you.
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When you have your partner is, you know, unconscious next to you, and you were like, lucky I was roped in the, because you don't always rope yourself on a tree or anything on a big wall.
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Uh, so if, if not, we might have both go down and that's just, you know, moment that you think, like, is this worth it?
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Uh, to do the big walls?
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And we, you know, if you do it and you live there or you, you can do it so many hours that you, you know, it cold.
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But when you do it, like from San Francisco, you drive there and you do it.
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mean, you're not, you're not on your game.
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You're not a hundred percent.
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And, uh, your rope technique is good, but you know, you, you don't, you're not like native with it because you don't do it every day.
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Uh, so that was the moment when I decided that, look, I might not be, I don't, I might not wanna do like a, like a difficult, you know, long, big walls, uh, middle of nowhere.
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What, uh, route were you on, on?
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Was it something on lcap?
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I think that's what you said.
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No, this was, uh, this was like next, next to it, like, um, uh, it was like a, like a next to royal Arts.
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We were, we were doing like a linkup to go all the way up
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Uh
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up there.
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So the, you know, there's this big link up when you do royal artists and then you can go to the, um, uh, the
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oh.
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I think it's famous, uh, slab route.
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yeah, yeah.
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Top of that.
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we were heading there and it, it's a really long day.
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It's a 30, 30 plus pitch day, so you have to kind of go pretty quickly.
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You know, I, I will have to agree that, um, on, on a couple of things that I point, I, I, uh, I gleaned from that, uh, great story by the way.
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Uh, one is that, uh, yes.
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Core gym skills don't transfer to a big wall.
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Traditional climbing, you know, one has to, uh, put the time into climbing big walls.
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If one has to get good and comfortable at climbing big walls.
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And being a vegan warrior, uh, is, uh, maybe not the best diet.
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I've done that over the last 15 years myself, and one has to be relentless, uh, in that training to be able to be comfortable.
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And then, yeah, secondly.
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I, I, I mean, our goals shift.
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You know, what might be my goal when I was 25 and I thought life was, uh, limitless is different than my goals at 45.
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And one has to be a bit, uh, more strategic about, uh, risk-taking and goals and other things in life that one wants to, uh, wants to accomplish.
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One thing I have certainly noticed, uh, in you, the time that I've known you, is, uh, is your ability to manage all these different fronts.
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You know, like you pointed out, you know, you are, uh, yeah.
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Uh, active, active career parents of two, uh, young kids, and you do all these, um, you know, time intensive, uh, sports, any secrets, uh, wait.
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I can see that you're highly, uh, highly calendared.
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You color code your calendar.
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I, I, I, I, I live on my calendar, but I don't color code it maybe to the degree you do, but then I also notice something interesting Ari.
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Uh.
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Last year we went on a long, uh, you know, long by my standards, uh, long bicycle, uh, gravel ride up in Marin.
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It was fun.
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I actually have been biking a lot more, uh, recently, so maybe I'll do a slightly better, uh,
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To go up again.
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Yes, yes.
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I'm, I'm, sign me up.
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Uh, one thing I noticed, which was the whole time, um, we were out there, it was a long day, morning to afternoon, and I felt you were quite present in the bike ride.
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Like I did not notice you open your phone and check for messages and as somebody who is, you know, running a, a growing company and probably has many things that they can attend to, I felt you were very present the whole day.
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And, uh, uh.
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Yeah, just wondering, uh, uh, I mean, any, uh, any tips you might wanna share on how you are able to, uh, be so present and, uh, be in the moment of whichever activity?
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Because, and I'm sure, I'm sure that when you're actually working, you're also fully present and are putting your time into, uh, what you're doing at that time.
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So any things that the rest of us can, uh, can learn from.
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I, that's a good observation.
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I mean, I, I think for me, I.
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Um, it, it maybe comes after at, you know, the fourth time you read Les Power of Now, and you maybe you finally the point of it.
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And, and, uh, but yeah, I, I try to be, and I think I'm, I'm quite good at overall to be focused on things like when I work, I, I don't need like a two hour ramp up to be productive.
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I, I can be quite quick at it.
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And, um, and then when I do different things, like it's my time, then I don't wanna, you know, give the time away because there's always so many people who try to take your time from you, and that's the only thing you really have.
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That's the only asset that's yours.
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And it's so easy.
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I think Calendly is a, a very difficult, uh, beast.
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Uh, if people use Calendly in a way to do pick time for
